After the first quarter of 2nd grade though, I felt that there just wasn’t enough practice with math facts, and I decided to switch to RightStart Level B. It involves teaching a new mathematical concept every day and constantly reviewing old concepts. It will also help prevent him from completely hating math. my oldest). I think it’s a spiraling curriculum, rather than mastery-based. The performance of students who have studied math the Singapore way is impressive. For some kids, this really helps cement their understanding. She gets bored and/or frustrated. A couple thoughts that might make the transition go more easily: -Since your daughter had some struggles with math this last year, I’d anticipate that she may need more hand-holding than your other two children. If you switch midstream from one curriculum to another, your child may miss some topics or waste time reviewing material that she’s already mastered. That said a somewhat independent program would be best as she is head strong and fights me teaching her. I switched my kids go Mfle and it’s been pretty good, but like you said, some things they need more practice. That said, hands-on manipulatives are much more important at the lower levels when kids still think very concretely. Any advice would be greatly appreciated! The solutions to all of these worksheets are also now included in the teacher’s guide. Melissa. Kate. We have done Singapore, MUS (bored by videos), Christian Light. I will have the summer to catch up so I’m wondering if I’ll need to introduce anything like division or more fractions? I read on the WTM forum that you switched after some of level C was completed. Definitely let me know if you have any follow-up questions. You’ll be fine starting Singapore in books 3 and 4 (especially since you’ve used the placement tests to find the correct book for each child). Stefanie, so glad you’re finding the reviews helpful, and that RS is a good fit for your son. I wonder if Math Mammoth would be a good fit for you, perhaps with continuing to read Life of Fred as a supplement. First, a little history: Singapore Math originated in Singapore public schools in the 1980s and has since grown in popularity throughout the world. After the problem has been translated into a picture, the standard algorithms are introduced as the final stage in the process. Throughout the program, Dimensions expands and highlights important topics that might be more subtly taught in Singapore’s Primary Mathematics. For practicing the basics, you might check out Math Mammoth’s Blue series. Math-U-See is an excellent program and we adore their manipulatives; it just was a poor fit for my son. I’ve considered math mammoth 7, but then it ends so i’d need to find a new curriculum again. The Well-Trained Mind is the guide that millions of parents trust to help them create the best possible education for their child. The Singapore Math curriculum fits well with a classical education model because it is structured to match the learning patterns of children and aims for excellence as children move toward further growth and application. We’ve been doing three days BA, 2 PM one week, and the reverse for the next. Rod and Staff is a solid curriculum, so I’m a little surprised that your son tested so far behind in the placement tests. My oldest is finishing up first grade and my youngest will be starting k5 next year. What makes it so different, and why is Singapore math so popular in homeschooling circles and classical schools? The Singapore curriculum also teaches students to use mental math, which enables them to solve more complicated problems quickly. When I was in school we skipped around all over the place, and with switching teachers and switching curricula, it was easy to get lost. Math is not my strong suit, but my kids love games and I want them to be strong in math! for a multitude of reasons, which I’m listing in no particular order: The team at the Barney Charter School Initiative has put together some math exercises for just this purpose. I understand it is spiral which is different from the mastery style of Rod & Staff. Hi Marie! I was hoping you can give me your opinion on the following. I’m struggling to decide whether to switch my son from Singapore (Primary Mathematics). We just think it’s great. Happy Math! First of all, Singapore 1A does move VERY fast through the addition facts, and the explanations and strategies that it offers are often too abstract for first graders. Hi Kate, I’m wondering if you mean Principles of Mathematics? Saxon is a spiral program, which means it will teach a topic, then come back to the topic and back to the topic during the … I am NOT strong at math and I don’t want my kids to be at a disadvantage because of my own weakness there. I just ordered your Addition Math Facts that Stick book, and I think working with a ten-frame will help her a lot. (I’d be curious as to whether he tends to be a careful, thoughtful child in other subjects as well.) Just because you’ve used a certain math curriculum in the past doesn’t mean you have to stick with it forever. Math in Focus (Singapore Approach) ... Saxon math is a “user-friendly” math program - even for Algebra, Trigonometry, Calculus and other generally difficult math topics. (Either for your child or you!). I hate to purchase C only for a few lessons. I think I just needed a “go ahead” from another mom that I wasn’t making a completely absurd decision. I was wondering if maybe Teaching Textbooks would work. It’s quite independent, and it lays a solid ground work in conceptual understanding and mental math. This was a child who would always test two grades ahead!. Thank you SO much for all of the time and heart you’ve put into your reviews. I think you are right. I loved listening to your interview on The Morning Basket. The Dimensions program also changes the order of a few lessons to increase student proficiency. However, RightStart doesn’t offer a whole lot more in terms of review or extra practice. Were they were mostly in topics that Rod and Staff hasn’t covered yet (for example, graphing or geometry)? Any thoughts are oh-so-welcome! The math teacher in me is very curious about those placement tests! We do the Math Verbal Lesson and LOF too. More Buying Choices $20.89 (74 used & new offers) To start, Singapore Math is designed to complement the natural development of a child’s mathematical knowledge. Hi Kate, Beginning with objects and pictures rather than mathematical symbols means that students will understand what they’re really doing when solving a problem, rather than simply copying a process over and over. I have been doing Saxon math with my oldest and my younger jumps in and out when it suits her. I’ve been using Singapore with my older two and after you posted that you don’t care for the HIG, I’ve quit using it, just using the text book and workbook. When we did the online placement testing it seems like we would need to start one in 3 and one in 4 they just didn’t do well on the 4/5 tests. There are countless (ha!) 2 Singapore Math focuses on mastery, not just learning for a test. we tried Saxon but it was very difficult always trying to find more work because they only gave a few problems with that lesson and then suddenly jumped to another. You can always have him do some of the page orally or enlarge them. Progress from easiest facts to hardest facts and from addition to subtraction to multiplication to division so that he can begins to experience success at recalling the facts quickly. We’re at 6 seconds per fact in addition, 8.6 seconds for subtraction, and a whopping 20 seconds for multiplication. Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt, Orlando, FL. Math is a real-life tool that points us to God and helps us explore His creation, yet it often comes across as dry facts and meaningless rules. RightStart is a great program, but I did feel like C moved a little slow for my math whiz. I REALLY appreciate your tips! Sounds like a great plan to me! The format? Lately he has gotten very resistant because the explanations for how to solve subtraction problems like 17-9= just are not clicking with him. Why does Singapore math work so well? Read Book Singapore Primary Mathematics Teachers Guide 5b 3rd EdiitonSwitch to Math Mammoth, Right Start Math … After he finished Essentials, I started him on Primary 1A, insisting on taking plenty of time and not rushing through the worksheets. . Oof, that must make multi-digit multiplication a real pain. Math; Math. I came here to see if I can figure out a math curriculum for my kids this year. I also have a three-year old, and a baby. We are just about to finish 1A and he is finishing up first grade. A teacher or parent looking at Singapore math will see a focus on core techniques like place value, bar modeling, and number bonds rather than teaching students to use lots of different strategies to solve a problem. I think mixing in some basic review with Beast Academy would work just fine, and it would probably give your boys a great mix of deep thinking and rote practice. Any tips for a great start? Probably not a big deal, but just something to watch out for. By the way, my other twin who hated math …now loves it. option that works along the same lines. I’m planning to write a review of Math-U-See this spring, but I’ll consider adding on Miquon, too. This insight has helped me make better curriculum choices not just in math but in all subjects. The performance of 4th grade students was similar. I appreciate your articles on math, especially Right Start, which I’ve been using. Now, with the publication of Dimensions Math, there is a more teacher friendly set of resources. You are here: Home › CM Educating › kindergarten › math › saxon math vs singapore math. Is it a bad idea to mix curriculum for the same year? I am leaning toward math mammoth for the switch. If you feel like it’s starting to drag for one of your daughters, you might consider switching to Singapore or Beast Academy for her after C. But certainly don’t feel like you HAVE to switch–it’s a solid, well-thought-out program all the way through. I don’t want to have him get behind, but I don’t think he could do a full amount of both daily. My son will finish RightStart C this year, and I have thoughts to change curriculum next year for the follow reasons (but I’m still unsure). Anyways, if I change, I would probably try Singapore (I’m assuming I would start at level 3A?) So glad that Singapore has worked well for you this year! Math Mammoth gives simple easy to understand instructions and the mastery approach means my son has a chance to get a good grasp before moving on to new lessons. Math In Focus is amazing! We just started TT again and although we did the textbook we didn’t use the computer much for it) I find they can do the work but it didn’t stick and they cannot tell me why they are doing what they’re doing at all. I’ve used it as a supplemental resource for both child 2 and 3. Don’t worry about it too much, but just make sure to keep providing that practice and encouraging him to respond as quickly as possible. Last year, as we reach 4th grade, we used Rod and Staff, it gave us consistency and we completed the book; However, I became concern once we tried a few placement test for other math curriculums (Saxon, Singapore, Beast Academy), and my child tested at least two grades behind! Read the introductory materials to become familiar with the philosophy of the program, and preview the first unit to understand the objectives and lesson formats. You are your child’s teacher and you know your child best. I’d suggest proceeding along two parallel tracks: 1. There are number of different ways to approach any math problem, but focusing one all of them can be overwhelming. If you want a minimalist program with simple lessons, use Singapore Essential K. And if you’d like a very cute and colorful (but still mathematically valuable) program, try Singapore’s Early Bird program. They look very mathematical without being overwhelming, and like they’ll provide a good transition to learning math from a textbook. Thanks for the suggestion! But there are other advantages to switching, too. I keep telling myself that the beauty of Homeschooling is they get to be on whatever level they need to be on so I think I would rather her be behind and really grasp math then to continue to do something that is obviously not working. Do you see any red flags with that idea? One daughter flew through the lessons, she easily picked up abstract concepts and often times did not need the manipulatives (she tested in gifted program at public school prior to homschooling). Now, Beast Academy provides interesting problems, builds his problem-solving perseverance, and feeds his curiosity about numbers. All of math is like that, and although we know that for the early stages of a child’s math education, in this country we seem to have forgotten it for upper elementary middle, and high school students. She understands and can do word problems (from Singapore Primary Mathematics Challenging Word Problems workbook); it just takes her a long time, because she doesn’t have the math facts memorized. You might also consider Activities for the AL Abacus, or my Math Facts That Stick books, if you feel that you need to fill in some gaps in the basics before moving onto grade-level work. Others can complete the entire upper math sequence of Saxon and still need algebra in college. When a “warm up” facts practice sheet takes at least 30 minutes…it really kills the joy. Tagged: Saxon TTB math High school This topic has 12 replies, 10 voices, and was last updated 8 years, 2 months ago by ServingwithJoy. (Bear in mind that I was using the first edition, though. She didn’t like all the parts of right start like I did. I am looking for a program that can help fill her gaps as she still struggles with multiplication and basic math. Hi Kate, I so appreciate your advice and your blog – thank you! This kit contains the manipulatives you'll need for introducing and reinforcing the math concepts taught in the Saxon Mathematics K-3 program. Kate, thank you so much for taking the time to answer my question. . Each curriculum has its own scope and sequence (that is, which topics it covers, in which grades, and in which order.) We did a free trial of BA Online, and she really liked the characters and the visual aspect. My daughters started homeschooling last year in grades 3 and 5. You’ve been using a more traditional math curriculum and would like to explore using a conceptual curriculum. I have met some, just not often. It may feel like “cheating,” but it will allow him to continue to make good progress in his conceptual understanding and higher-level skills. If you don’t stop to analyze the problem, there is a danger of using curriculum as a scapegoat any time math isn’t going well. He’s also my hands on kids who lives games, so from your curriculum reviews I think he is a good candidate for this program. We are homeschooling for the first time this year. So back to Singapore Math we ran, and there we stayed for awhile. Hi Kate, I appreciate you helping so many parents with math. Switching curriculum has a learning curve for both the parent and child. While he has progressed through the program with good scores, he has always been painfully slow. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. Then imagine taking the same problem to a student who already knows 6 times 4, 4 times 3, 3 times 4, and so on because he’s memorized his math facts. We will be beginning homeschool with my 5 year old son this fall and I don’t know how to tell yet which program might work best for him for math? Viewing 2 posts - 1 through 2 (of 2 … Thanks! My main tips are to make sure your children can explain why what they’re doing works and to check that they’re not just following rote procedures. ... We'd been struggling for a year with Saxon's Algebra 1 and wanted to try something new. I have a 3rd grader that has tested 99% for math ability, but distraction impacts his learning. Any opinions on Saxon math vs. Singapore math? I was able to see my older boy use Saxon, my middle boy use Investigations, and my youngest use Math In Focus. A glimpse inside a network of classical charter schools across the country. And also Math U See. Particularly, Singapore neglects the clear development of math facts and limits repetitive review within each year. If you want lots of hands-on activities and lessons where you’re very involved, use RightStart. Saxon Math: 8/7 with Prealgebra, Student Edition 3rd Edition. Ideally I would like a program that can give her a strong mental math base, and confidence. Singapore Math® (Grades K - 12) Program Goal: Singapore Math promotes mastery of mathematics through a consistent and strong emphasis on problem solving and model drawing, along with a focus on in-depth understanding of essential math concepts and skills. Are you familiar with it? Then, you could begin either VideoText, Foerster’s Algebra 1, or No-Nonsense Algebra as a freshman. Since RightStart is working so well for both your girls, I’d suggest sticking with it through C with both of them. He was doing really well before we stopped for a summer break. Over the years, Singapore Math has created several different editions of the Primary Mathematics books used so successfully in Singaporean schools in the late ’90’s. I can see the value of what you’ve mentioned, knowing to keep up with these will give me greater confidence continuing with Singapore. I’m considering Mcruffy Math, horizons, MM or CLE, Singapore. A lot of my friends do Saxon, but the length of those lessons overwhelms ME! As long as you’re doing some mental math regularly, you should be in good shape–even if it’s not a whole sheet at a time, or even some mental math every day. Sorry not to have more specific advice for you. Starting in third or fourth grade, I think the textbook is perfectly sufficient for most kids. At the same time, spend 5-10 minutes per day on facts practice. Post was not sent - check your email addresses! It found that the Common Core math standards were highly correlated with those of high-performing countries. Both of you have to get used to a new format, layout, and lesson style. A loss or BA to pick whatever program appeals to you the most go. All over the place, it ’ s the link to my kids to... 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